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Updated: 7:37 PM Jul 21, 2008
Lansing Considering Proposal Banning Scooters
Lansing City Council is considering a proposal that may park the upward scooter trend.
Posted: 6:04 PM Jul 21, 2008Reporter: A.J. Hilton Email Address: aj.hilton@wilx.com |
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Posted by: Kathie Dunbar
Location: Lansing
on Jul 22, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Whoa! Quinney is not at fault here. He answered questions assuming the reporter had actually read the ordinance, which does not appear to be the case. The ordinance proposes to ban mini pocket bikes, which are TOYS that stand 2 feet tall, have a ground clearance of 4-5 inches, and travel at speeds up to 45 mpg. Because they are TOYS, they are not subject to minimum age requirements or helmet laws. In many of our neighborhoods, riders dart in an out of traffic, drag race down the street, and are almost invisible to drivers in larger vehicles. I understand why folks are upset after watching this story - it's misleading, especially with the footage of scooters that are NOT affected. To be clear, the ordinance says any moped/scooter that can be registered with the Secretary of State is EXEMPT. Finally, I should add that I'm the only councilmember who actually owns a scooter. It gets 100 mpg, and I laugh out loud every time I fill it. I'd never approve an ordinance that made that illegal!
Posted by: Vanessa
Location: Williamston
on Jul 22, 2008 at 09:51 PM
With the exception of East lansing, the entire area is not friend to slower vehicles. The roads are set up for Large SUV gas hogs and not high volume low speed method of transportation.
Posted by: Pam
Location: Jackson
on Jul 22, 2008 at 09:48 PM
Why not require mopeds to be registered with the city with a $10 fee.
Posted by: Martin
Location: Lansing
on Jul 22, 2008 at 05:56 PM
Hey just what we need another idiot on our city council.He lives on the city council pay and he doesn't have to worry like some people that are trying to make it.They are worried because they do not get parking revenue or gas tax. RECALL THEM ALL
Posted by: Jim
Location: Lansing
on Jul 22, 2008 at 05:50 PM
Why do you think everyone is moving out of Lansing and Michigan. Everything has got to be ok'd by someone. People you need to get rid of the city council that is in office start recalling them take control back of our government.People are trying to survive and they (the city) want more money because they don't get any kick back off the gas sold.Its only going to get worse with this city council,wake up people.START RECALLING !!!
Posted by: David
Location: Charlotte
on Jul 22, 2008 at 04:11 PM
Just like smokers being band from smoking tell me how a local goverment can band a legal product, some one needs to get hold of the ACLU and sue. Or threaten a law suit They say its a saftey issue what a load of crap pepol have riding mopeds for years and now its all of a sudden a issue can any one say nanny state. Pepol you all need to get ride of this pinhead tell him that if he moves on with this nonsence that you will recall him .
Posted by: LegallyRad
Location: Lansing
on Jul 22, 2008 at 11:25 AM
What is Quinney doing on the council anyway? Either way, Quinney has definently committed political suicide. There's going to be an at-large seat open for grabs. I think the root of the problem is that they can be parked like a bike and the city is angry about losing parking revenue.
Posted by: Steve
Location: Eaton Rapids
on Jul 22, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Banning use of efficient vehicles that achieve 100 MPG, flies in the face of logic. While America is going "Green", Lansing is going BASS ACKWARDS !
Posted by: Howard
Location: Lansing
on Jul 22, 2008 at 10:29 AM
Derek Quinney seroiusly needs to have his head examined, and so will the city council if they do decide to go through with this ban on scooters. This is, for some, the best viable form of transportation for people to get around. If I am not mistaken, you are required to take a training course on riding a scooter anyway before getting licesenced any way, so where is the threat. This just goes to show how corrupt that the government is getting, nd how it has to be their way or no way.
Posted by: debra
Location: lansing
on Jul 22, 2008 at 10:19 AM
this is the worst use of of people in other people business. its the same as motorcycles or riding bikes. are you going to outlaw them. thats what insurance is for. why do i have insurance? i weighed the two and cheaper gas would be best, but if you are not going to help in this crisis i quess mode of transportation with the most miles per gallon would be my choice.
Posted by: Amy
Location: Lansing
on Jul 22, 2008 at 10:10 AM
Are you kidding me? They have the audacity to complain, push and moan about the environment, gas prices and promote legislature to aide both and yet……ban a mode of transportation that reduces our overall footprint? Bring your mind and your laws into this century.
Posted by: john
Location: lansing
on Jul 22, 2008 at 09:57 AM
a moped gets 85 to 100 miles per gallon which a normal fill up is around $10.00 and a cars average fill up is minimum $60.00 the state says, Oh, no. wwe can't make no tax with moped. lets ban them. the issue is not safety for teens and young drivers.do not ban them. licence them. if anything makes it easy on the poor mans pocket book, the state wants no part of it. it is all money and you can't convince me any other. the greedy state has no part of giving the poor man a break from the high taxes on gas. GO GET'EM,
Posted by: V.
Location: Munith
on Jul 22, 2008 at 09:30 AM
Never fails to aggravate me when I realize that our overpayed and common sense challenged public officals are still hard at work to subdue this great nation into their Utopian vision of greatness..a world where every aspect of the citizen's life is scrutinized by imbeciles who dare to imagine that they know what's best for us. Do these idiots have nothing better to do?
Posted by: Maggie
Location: Lansing
on Jul 22, 2008 at 08:49 AM
Banning scooters is a terrible idea. There are already legal restrictions against young teenagers driving mopeds - they are required to wear helmets. Banning a reasonable mode of transportation rather than enforcing safe driving rules is ridiculous. If council wants to try to require new purchasers of scooters take a safety class that's one thing, but to outright ban them is wrongheaded.
Posted by: John
Location: Mason
on Jul 22, 2008 at 08:04 AM
The City of Lansing wants to ban mopeds now? Another bright idea from those that had they been around would have banned the first cars. Look Council members, save the sensationalism on "OH no...mopeds are dangerous" hype. I don't even own one but I sure do know that with gas prices at horrid levels and not changing anytime soon, either your attitude changes, say perhaps bike and moped paths, or the citizens will change things for you. Use some common sense. 99% of the drivers out there on these scooters are safe and aware, unlike some of those in cars. The redundant things that come out of Lansing. Your own radios for emergency crews don't work well but you toss in cameras and now you want to protect the world from mopeds...incredible....
Posted by: greg
Location: holt
on Jul 22, 2008 at 07:25 AM
Outlaw exactly what most governments are trying to encurage. The saving of energy. Great idea!!! Priceless even!
Posted by: Anne
Location: Lansing
on Jul 22, 2008 at 07:10 AM
I think Mr. Quinney needs to actually read the State of Michigan rules on scotters and mopeds, which clearly state that they MUST be under 50 CC's and licensed by the SOS. How can a city ban something that is under the jurisdiction of the State? Are the going to try to ban antique cars? Maybe electronic cars? Ban walking? The city of Lansing has more important issues to deal with than to waste time on this idea.
Posted by: Debbie
Location: Jackson
on Jul 22, 2008 at 06:24 AM
Why ban them, they are motor bikes and should have to be licenced and have rules like motorcycles do.
Posted by: Jimmy
Location: Jackson
on Jul 22, 2008 at 05:34 AM
This would be just one more way that the goverment controls us, I swear the USA is becoming more like the old Soviet Union every day as they become more like the old USA was. Control, Control Control.
Posted by: Tiger
Location: stanton
on Jul 22, 2008 at 05:32 AM
When people ride motorcyclesor scooters , they should know their risks. Carrie Lee from CNN rides a Vespar to work in Manhattan every day. If they are legal there, why not Lansing. The economy in michigan is bad enough let the people have their scooters and the council members can squabble about something important.
Posted by: Angry
on Jul 22, 2008 at 04:25 AM
BRAVO! thank you now I can bore out my 49.9 to 51 cc's and get a license plate. and since it's now a MOTORCYCLE and not a moped I can drive in the MIDDLE of the lane instead of on the right hand side so you can pass.
Posted by: me
on Jul 22, 2008 at 04:21 AM
I watched the news reel, this is ridiculous. For one, Mopeds are inherently safer by design. they travel slower so inherintly a 70 mph collission is REALLY unlikely. I was rearended on my moped and got tossed into the grass by the road. all I got was busted fibula which serious as it was was better than what motor cycle riders get when there bikes flip ontop of them. as a matter of fact I have heard a couple moped operators complain about accidents and the results are the same scrapes and bruises maybe a minor break. Usually caused by a beligerent or wreckless Automobile driver. This is just my experience. Masybe we should look at MANDATORY JAIL TIME for wreckless car drivers. I think thats fair. don't you?
Posted by: Eric
Location: near lansing
on Jul 22, 2008 at 04:08 AM
I think this is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Safety? Safety would be getting the operators of cars to stop trying to force my bike off the road. Safety would be Prison time for idiots that throw bottles at moped riders because we are "in the way" I got hit by a careless driver on my mopped. why because HE wasn't safe not me. I went out and got a new moped and continue to go to work and college full time and use it to run errands and take care of my wife and kids. I have a car and if I had some idiot law that forced me to use it all the time I'd be forced to drop out because id have to work full time just for gas money. I'm glad I don't live in Lansing. Banning mopeds won't make a difference anyway, they sell them in 80 cc models for about the same price. IT'S MY ROAD TOO! maybe we should ban all the SUVs and sedans that would make everyone safer, smaller vehicles cause less damage in a collission. hmmm.
Posted by: Jay
Location: Lansing
on Jul 21, 2008 at 09:51 PM
Looks like someone is in with the oil companies,and is looking for some money that can put into thier pocket.What is the diffrence between a scooter and a motorcycle?The scooters can go up to 85mph.The only diffrence is that a motorcycle is a little bigger,and can go faster.You can get just a hurt on a motorcycle as a scooter.It is just another restriction the goverment want to place on the citizens.The only way things are going to get better with the gas prices ,are for more people to ride scooter,so the oil companies can only make 4 dollars off of you instead of making 50 dollars.And for the city council......there is alot more thing that need to be taken care in this city instead of banning scooters.
Posted by: ron
Location: lansing
on Jul 21, 2008 at 09:51 PM
Lets make city workers take the bus or walk our bus system sucks I work 12hr days and can't ride the busses I can get to work but not home so i should walk no thanks i might get shot
Posted by: smarter than the average bear!
Location: jackson
on Jul 21, 2008 at 09:06 PM
Counties agree with need for road spending boost, counties recieve money from gas taxes to pay for road spending. Less gas purchased
Posted by: leon
on Jul 21, 2008 at 08:39 PM
YES.YES.....I drive Grand River ave daily to work and home. NEVER have I seen such nonsense as these "bikers". They cross the street against traffic laws etc and are a safety hazard. God knows what happens when the majority of kids are back in school (msu). I am a driver by trade and see it all. They are scary. What about helments? Do they need to wear them?
Posted by: JoeyLoey
Location: Lansing
on Jul 21, 2008 at 08:22 PM
Quinney shut up, you stupid idiot! If your worried about your personal saftey on a scooter, then YOU dont ride a scooter.. STUPID IDIOT, dont you realize that those people are ridding those things because THEY ARE BROKE AND CANT AFFORD GAS! If you think people ride those things in a unsafe manner then tell the cops to write them tickets! Quinney, your a stupid idiot, what do we the tax payers pay you for! You are supposed to be working for us! Not against us.. Your work for ME.. Because I'm a tax payer.. And you know whot? YOUR FIRED..! I WANT YOU OUT OF THAT OFFICE BY 5:00 PM..!
Posted by: John
Location: Lansing
on Jul 21, 2008 at 08:02 PM
Notice!!!! Lansing residents spearhead an effort to ammend the city constitution and not allowing persons like Derrick Quinney who does not have any lick of common sense to be on the city council. He is stuck in the middle ages and does not relate to the modern times. Lets see what you can afford to drive on a $7.50 hr. job.
Posted by: Amy
Location: Lansing
on Jul 21, 2008 at 07:56 PM
I want to know if the city bands scooters is the city coucil going to buy my scooter I can't buy gas on what i make and just think I'm one of the lucky ones. how about inforsing the laws that are in place for scooters so when they ban them are there going to be more cops out inforcing the law of the ban just like they do with the four-wheeler on city streets I think the city should worry about the shooting not the scooters not only do I work full time but I go to LCC so maybe i can make more money some day so it hurts my income if i had to drive every day
Posted by: bill
Location: Delta township
on Jul 21, 2008 at 07:49 PM
People wonder why no one likes to live in lansing. Look at what these rocket scientist are trying to do now, outlaw another valuable means of transportation and forces them to drive a car or ride the public transportation buses. They should be promoting people to use alternative means of transportation than trying to ban them. Mandate them to use helmets and do not drive on highways would be fare enough. Get a grip lansing City council, you folks have more serious problems you need to address.
Posted by: Big C
Location: E. Lansing
on Jul 21, 2008 at 07:31 PM
Fuel price projections for fall '08 are $8. gal so everyone will be on scooters, big long chains of scooters. we're already pretty used to seeing them. fix the potholes and make 'em wear helmets-no more "personal protection" threats. or park your scooter out of Lansing and take the CATA in-oh! but those potholes w/out seatbelts! Protection Alert! Perhaps Mr. Quinney has a vision of what new business to bring to the city if Mr. Hanson has to leave for a scooter friendly town.
Posted by: Arch
Location: Lansing
on Jul 21, 2008 at 07:30 PM
Sounds to me like Mr. Quinney is in the pockets of the oil companies. What a tool!
Posted by: Bartholemew
Location: Lansing
on Jul 21, 2008 at 07:29 PM
OK. So what is the safety issue? No case is made here. As long as moped-ers abide by the same rules as motorcycles and cars alike, what is the issue? This is an economic solution (sort-of) to high gas prices.
Posted by: paul
on Jul 21, 2008 at 07:27 PM
Are you kidding me, what in the heck is this joke of a city council going to do next to screw the people of this city. These kids are struggling as it is and so they find a way to get around with ease at $ 4.00 a gallon and we dont anything else in the city like crime and poverty to deal with that we go looking for something like this. shame on you
Posted by: WHAT!
Location: in mich.
on Jul 21, 2008 at 07:15 PM
Band all 2wheeled means of transportation and get it over with.It is where it is headed.You say go to transportion that don't use much gas if any,then we come up with banning such means of transportion,then we wonder why gas prices are up due to demand.Maybe drivers just need to learn to watch out for more types of transportion.We can smoke,drink,cell phone and change programing on radios and put CD in players,some can even put on makeup,many driving 70 mph.Wow.what is one more thing we can learn to watch out for.So which is really more dangerous?Keep age to drive these little things at 18.Then they can figure out how dangerous they wish live.
Posted by: dean
Location: okemos
on Jul 21, 2008 at 06:46 PM
I am sure the thing they will introduce a new law to feed the lawyers coffers and the courts will be even fuller. So then the police force will be increased! The bicycles are out there causing havoc on the back roads and urban areas, too. Lets just keep it going - until everyone leaves the state then all the city, county, state workers will have to get out and scratch for a living like a lot most people
Posted by: J
Location: Jackson
on Jul 21, 2008 at 06:34 PM
Can you say, Gas Tax?
Posted by: Ellen
Location: okemos
on Jul 21, 2008 at 06:30 PM
To Quinney's proposal of banning scooters. I agree that saftey is first, but why not put an age limit on those riding them on the streets...like 16, the same age that is required to drive a car? Also, require all who operate a scooter on public streets must wear helmets??? But to bann them completly...I don't know what kind of car you are driving, or how much you make per year...but WAKE UP!!! gas is not going to get any cheeper. |
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As one who owns a moped, I am outraged by the decision. I always wear my helmet, and obey all traffic laws. I am to be punished for those who don't? Or is there another matter at hand? Curious that only the most fuel-efficient vehicle available is targeted for banning. What's the matter, Lansing? Not raking in enough dough on artificially inflated gas prices? Ban them. Go ahead. I'll ride it anyway. I have a job to go to, and I won't be forced to pay more to get there than what is necessary.
Get over it. A Ban is not the answer. I would bet there are just as many responsible moped riders as those who are not. Set rules , and punish those who chose not to follow them. A Ban punishes everyone, responsible or not.
I just read the posts specifically: Posted by: Kathie Dunbar Location: Lansing on Jul 22, 2008 at 11:46 PM. I would support the bill IF and only IF it is these "toy bikes" it is referring to. I am not sure what the size of my engine is because mine is actually a bicycle with the motor mounted on the front. I hope the language of the proposal will be changed to exclude mopeds based on things other than engine size i.e. lights, height, etc.
I have a 30 year old Solex moped. I just rebuilt it so I could save money on gas. It has a max speed of 25 mph and is just as safe as a bicycle. I think it is ridiculous to ban all mopeds. I am curious as to what makes them unsafe? Why not ban motorcycles too? I sure will remember this when it comes time for re-election.
Wow im never using Channel 10 News as a news source again. How about reading the actual ordinance? For people reading this article: This ordinance is to get TOYS off the road, NOT adult transportation.
The scooters shouldn't be banned becuase they are a mode of transportation that is good on gas mileage. I have a scooter that is good on gas and i use it day to day to go to stores and pick up parts for my karts and other gas engine powerd vihicles. i use my scooter to hall stuff too i built a trialer for my scooter and it does what i need it to. Thats why scooters should not be banned.
They still need to recall about half of the Lansing City Council,no let me change that to all the city council.You would be surprised what they do to the public.RECALL RECALL
thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard. if you look at the michigan auto rereport , it says that mopeds are .1% of traffic fatalities. pedestrians are far more likely to be involved in an accident. its good to see that the city of lansing is taking on important issues, unfortunatley they fail to do any kind of homework. hey lets all invent facts to get our own way.
I own Mr. Quinney an apology for calling Him a pinhead, please forgive me sir. Thank you Ms. Dunbar for clearing it up TV 10 you should be ashamed of yourself take action and do the right thing. You need to say sorry to Mr. Quinney on the news cast.
What is he thinking? Are they going to ban bikes too? They travel slower and are less visible than a moped! I rode a moped for years and never had a problem! If anything-regulate the streets they travel on to one's the speed limit matches the performance of the vehicle!
Mopeds are inherently safer than cars as they would inflict less damage than a car would, so if you want safer streets then ban anything over 49cc in the city limits. Why ban a cheaper fuel driven vehicle without educating the public. Is not safety education a more viable alternative than putting people out of business and driving them out of Lansing area?
If Kathie Dunbar is correct, this newscast needs to be retracted. This newscast is confusing toys with adult transportation. I have a scooter and I abide by all the laws required by the State of Michigan. This was very confusing and made me wonder if I needed to sell one of my main forms of transportation. Just imagine if someone on the news said you couldn't drive your car in the city. Please, WILX make this issue clear to the people that are trying to make these gas prices not as bad. Thanks, Philip Marrah
Our fast world.Go big,go small.Use this for fuel,no it hurts this or that,so? We can't make up our minds.Take a risk,no don't.Safty a issue,or isn't.Save gas,drive slower,No some don't want to.Pass this,no don't.What age is right?Car co made biger autos,Now they don't sell?Jobs are lost.Economy in mich a BIG MESS.Who has done that to us?Missuse of small scooters ect.?yes?What a mess gas prices have caused.More things come out on market to sell to drive?Better on gas.But dangerous?Semies vs small cars.Another problem.We would not be dealing with this if gas prices had went up so high.Greedy ones and governments sure have made a mess for people world wide.Homes lost.food prices way to high.Can't afford gas prices.Can't pay bills.Not enough jobs in mich.Governments not helping.Bad roads,school funding.Many fighting for profit on products.Regesiter with state.Pay to lience?Toys should not be allowed.Know the differance?Many towns already have this law in effect.Gocarts,mowers,toys,NO NO.
Irresponsible Journalism! TV 10 has gotten a bunch of citizens knickers in a knot for not reporting the FACTS! PAY ATTENTION. Your job is to report, not inflame. It's too bad Kathie Dunbar had to set the record straight.
Mr. Derrick Quinney isn't bright enought to hold the office he has if this is an indication of the decisions he makes. There is always a better way than a ban.