Association of School Boards and Administrators Say 'No' on Proposal 2

By: Anthony Sabella Email
By: Anthony Sabella Email

When it comes to Proposal 2, the Michigan Association of School Administrators and the Michigan Association of School Boards agree, just say 'no'.

"There are certain positive reforms that have been put in place and we want to see them stay in place," said William Mayes, Executive Director of the Michigan Association of School Administrators.

Both associations believe those reforms would be overturned if the proposal, which would guarantee collective bargaining rights, passes.

That would void laws that cover cost savings, teacher discipline and placement.

"It would take all of the prohibited things that are no longer allowed to be negotiated and put them back in the mix," said Mayes. "It would be a much more timely, difficult and costly process."

Among the overturned reforms, a health care reform that says public employers only have to pay a limited amount for employee insurance, forcing employees, like teachers, to pay more out of pocket.

"We've saved over $400 million in health care reform savings," said Mayes. "That money has kept teachers in the classroom and has certainly helped districts to balance their budgets."

Don Wotruba says that same reform saved Eaton Intermediate School District $600,000 this past year.

"What that $600,000 meant was we kept teachers in the classroom rather than having to lay people off," said Wotruba, an Eaton I.S.D. board member.

Protect Working Families, who is supporting Proposal 2, disagrees with the idea that the proposal would undo several laws.

They released a statement quoting the Michigan Court of Appeals saying, "...the right to collectively bargain does not in any way force the legislature to enact, or decline to enact, any laws whatsoever."

We tried calling the Michigan Education Association several times for a response to allegations of both associations, but our calls were not returned.

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  • by Steve Location: Dewitt on Oct 16, 2012 at 03:51 PM
    "Voting against 2 doesn't bust unions. It doesn't take away any power that unions currently have" Liar! ...It effectively eliminates collective bargaining because it opens the door to "right to work" which gives management the right to violate a contract if they feel it no longer works in their best interest, Yet won't give back what the working man gave up to get the contract approved. The Gov. himself says if prop. 2 fails, he will immediately pass right to work legislation. If it's such a bad idea, why does managements side have to lie to get a no vote? Oh yeah "a yes vote means drunks on the school bus every morning..." Really?? YES on 2 and protect the real working class!!!
  • by Alex on Oct 11, 2012 at 09:01 AM
    Voting against 2 doesn't bust unions. It doesn't take away any power that unions currently have. That's why we should stick with facts - not what misleading ads say on both sides. Most Americans have faced pay cuts and increased cost of healthcare. For some reason, these public unions don't want to face reality. No one supported this measure in the legislature - it had to be a constitutional amendment. Please learn more about this power grab and vote NO!
  • by Anonymous Location: Location on Oct 11, 2012 at 06:17 AM
    Oh yeah, name. The reason I have kept jobs is because I work hard and I do good work, not because someone else has made it to hard to fire me even if it's warranted. Also, my pay reflects my skills and abilities (and all of these things in a non-union shop). My performance does the talking. I don't have to bully way into better pay. But oh yeah, I must be the one exception to the rule on the entire planet right?
  • by Anonymous Location: Location on Oct 11, 2012 at 06:03 AM
    Name: That's right, we are going to go right back to the turn of the 1900's. Are you kidding me. There are tons of other labor laws, that unions had nothing to do with, that prevent discrimination and establish legal ages to work. By your logic, unions are the backbone of society and all that is right in the world. Ha, I'm pretty sure society has come far enough not not regress at all. Most unions are nothing more than a conglomerate of bullies. lets pay a high school dropout $25/hr to push a broom plus free benefits plush quarterly bonuses. And we wonder why American industry fled states like michigan. But rather than having people work for a fair wage, which the market can establish on its own, and keep businesses here; lets just support 10,000 more on unemployment. By the way, I do work more than 40 a week the occasional Saturday. I make the choice to do that because there is the work to support it. I put my big boy pants on and do it because there are plenty of others in this state that would be happy to take my place. I don't leave work on my desk just because the clock says 5. I've seen high schoolers with better work ethics than most in a unionized shop. As a matter of fact, that gives me a couple of ideas on how to end all of the whining.
  • by Derrick Location: Hillsdale on Oct 10, 2012 at 05:30 PM
    It is also clear that none of you actually work in a union!! VOTE YES on #2!!! We all (public employees) got screwed over because of Snyder's health care reform BS!! Our union never asked for large increases in pay for the last 10 years, in order to keep our health care costs low. Since Rick took the away from us, we are now extremely under paid! He completely used state power to undermind everything we worked for (through collective bargaining) Please help give us something back by voting to pass #2
  • by Steve Location: Dewitt on Oct 10, 2012 at 10:58 AM
    Yeah of course they would recomend a no vote. Same mentality that cuts the working mans salery, then gives themselves a bonus for "saving" money. Same old song and dance by management, pathetic
  • by Name Location: Location on Oct 10, 2012 at 07:41 AM
    If you don't like unions, then start working weekends, start working more than 8 hours a day, and start working more than 40 hours a week. Also don't take any sick leave, or paid time off of any kind, because all of the above is thanks to unions. Unions also helped women enter the workforce and get kids out of the factories, but let's get women back in the kitchen and kids back on the line, right?
  • by Doug on Oct 10, 2012 at 05:51 AM
    Fact! Alex, every group along with the Detroit papers (union busting if you remember your history)you mentioned is a group that is against unions in the work place. Surprise that they would be against this proposal. Fact! Gee there are that many laws that have been passed in the past 2 years to take down unions. Fact! They money used in ads against the proposal has come from big business, DeVos so they can push their private schools and Koch brothers who want workers at min wage so they can make the largest profit possible.
  • by Kelly Location: Jackson on Oct 9, 2012 at 05:28 PM
    Isn't it unfortunate that school board members and administrations didn't say 'no' to unions long before now? Because it was always easier to give in than fight, we are now in a position where union demands are overshadowing and overpowering common sense economics. School board members determined it was easier to go along to get along. After all, it's not their money and, oh well, they'll only be on the Board for a couple of years anyhow. Let the next group worry about it. Thanks to that attitude, look where we're at now.
  • by Alex Location: Sterling Heights on Oct 9, 2012 at 04:20 PM
    Let's focus on the facts: FACT: No other state has a constitutional amendment like this. FACT: Between 100 and 170 laws will be invalidated because of the passage of 2. FACT: The Detroit Free Press, the Detroit News, the Battle Creek Enquirer, the Michigan Sheriff's Assocation, and the Michigan Association of School Boards have come out against Prop 2. Join us against Proposal 2 in Michigan. Like us at No corporate funding, no attack ads, just concerned citizens that think this is a very bad amendment.
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