Police Investigate Shooting at Lansing Night Spot
- Posted By: : I dont think we can blame Verg or the Police. It's the responsibility of the owner and the people that frequent that establishment. I know from living and growing up in the South Lansing area, this has always been a problem. I say....SHUT IT DOWN! Blame the irresponsible people that can not control themselves, not the Mayor or Police!!!! Take responsiblity in your own actions!!!!!
- Posted By: Jake: You know it is easy to sit back and say close the club down you don't have any money invested,I do not think this type of crowd would be bad if the bar would bar them for life if they started a fight.I know it is hard to tell who's who because they all look the same start taking pictures of every one that goes into the club give them a membership card with photo no one gets in unless they have a membership,and if they start any kind of problems pull thier membership.To me this would be a start. There are a lot of good people out there that don't deserve to get punished for the actions of a few.The mayor and the little beady eyed city attorney need to think about the other club owners thoughts on this, the council is more like do what I say council rather do for the people.
- Posted By: Sandi: i have spent my share of time going to the bars, however, the Venue is a crime not a bar. They were supose to hire additional security. With all the unemployment why didn't they have at least 2 or 3 guys out there patroling the parking lot at 2 a.m.? They know exactly what their patrons are like. They should have had patrols outside weeks ago. I think the Venue should be closed down, and I like the idea of a good samaritan law,if you see a crime and don't report it, you can go to jail. Lots of people had their pictures on the video lately.
Anyone who goes to a bar like the Venue and thinks even one fight in the parking lot is OK has a problem, and should stay away from the bars. This constant fighting is outragous. What are we waiting for? Someone to be killed?
- Posted By: : The city can pass a good samaritan law in which a person can serve two days in jail for not reporting a crime. It might scare some of these people into witnessing.
- Posted By: sick and tired: put em back on the boat
- Posted By: LegallyRad: Between venue and x-cel the cops are driving like a tennis match from north to south. Everytime there is an incident at a hip-hop club they should have to serve 3 weekends playing nothing but classic rock, country and bluegrass.
- Posted By: Gus: Doesn't surprise me that the Lansing Police couldnt find a suspect or a victim without some outside help. With the leadership that they have with Virg "Little Man" Bernero and Mark "I am an IDIOT" Alley, it is a wonder that they can find their car keys. As for the VENUE, the violence at that location hasn't changed since the city shut down the last night club that was there. Great job Lansing!
- Posted By: concerned: They need to shut down the Venue. Obviously the crowd that is drawn to the Venue is the same that use to frequent the Temple CLub and the LA globe. Unfortunately people do not know how to act and trouble follows these type of establishments. It is waste of resources. SHUT IT DOWN
- Posted By: Chris: I've been to probably close to 100 heavy metal concerts and clubs/events over the years, never a shooting. Their is a completely different mind set with this Venue crowd and the mentality and music it supports.
- Posted By: Concerned Citizen: This is the 3rd shooting at this club since it opened earlier this year. Since South Lansing and Holt is not known for this type of behavior, I can only surmise that the people that frequent this establishment are the problem. I think the time has come to close this place down and keep these hoodlums out out of our community!
- Posted By: Frustrated!!!: I have been a patron of the Venue since it first opened and the "stories" that the MEDIA is hyping up is just that STORIES!!!! Readers need to learn to differentiate the facts from myths...I also attended the party this past saturday night and there were not "several" fights as the NEWS 10 has advised us!!! Heck they weren't even there, but I guess you gotta keep your job somehow!!! I am so so tired of the media making a mountain out of a molehill...and furthermore, from what we could see the perpetrator was directly in front of the police...so you do the math!!! It appears to me that the Venue security do their job to get the patrons out safely, and then it would also appear to me that the police department would attempt to be "proactive" opposed to "reactive"...I have witnessed them sit across the street at Lowe's and do "absolutely nothing" to assist the Venue security when "occurences" do happen in the parking lot of Mark Realty...not the parking lot of the Venue Live!!!!
- Posted By: Tracy: How much violent crime has to happen at this club in order to shut it down? I understand it's someone's business and source of income, but come on... there's got to be some responsibility taken by the owner to protect the public and law-abiding patrons. I'm sure the owner is aware of the riff-raff coming in; use your right as the owner to deny service.
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many are up set this guy got away with more than some.which our laws are that way.under 21 for drinking laws need changed,as adult over 21 still depends who you are.this 32 yr has had problems before 21.mom says don't put this guy behind bars either.as mom thinks he should not go to prison.at this point there is no other answer.he needs to be stoped.and the child needs to get away from this kind of examples.if this person is ever ready to admit he has a problem and get help,so be it.till then he is not a decent parent.there are some that never stop drinking,or change there ways.we should not make excuses for thoes with drinking problems.or should we put up with there violence,or allow them to envolve kids in any way.all the counciling in the world does not take all the pain away,that a drunk did to someone.I have 2 grand children that lost there dad in a bad accident.do to a drunk driver and his bad judgement.they'll never have there dad back.death is final.jail time isn't.
we can not change other people,only our selves.first one has to be able to admit they have a problem.many of people have suffered over what someone else has done when there drunk.laws are out there,some don't apply to certain people.one can get 5yrs one can get a slap on the hand.the courts are full of under aged teen breaking the laws,drugs,drinking,thief ect.the bad part is conseling and all tried does no good.then when the child reaches certain ages they go through the adult laws.reapeating crimes.how much has this 9 yr old seen,what effect will it have on him in the future?many little kids pick up things and when it is done by a parent they feel it is alright.parents are not to teach children this kind of actions,or put there life in any danger.being a good parent means conducting yourself in the right ways.this parent is 32 yr and has not got it right yet.some never do and when children are envolved actions must be taken.do the crime do the time.
this guy does need help.first he needs to admit it and do something about it himself.no matter how family feels or pleads.it is up to him.as many children have suffered by a parent who can't control there drinking.when children see these things there life can follow in the same footsteps.many children start drinking,as they see parents do it.booze is in the house and when no one is looking,they start getting there first taste.mom or dad can do it,so can I.same way with drugs.the parents must set the example.as this man set a bad example and the courts will step in.all rehabilation can not always take away all scares,mentally or physically.loving someone and being able to live with them,or be around them is not always possible.some drinkers just can't change.tough love.no mom likes there kid behind bars,as they keep making excuses for them.as many wives have tried to do with a drunk husband,to keep a marriage together.it just don't work that way.the suffering goes on.does mom want that?
a guy I new attended AAA meeting 2 times aweek.right after the meetings he went to the bars,getting drunk,falling down,no problem.married 4 times,severly beating 3 wives.never hit the 4th,but mess up the house in drunken rages.6 kids total.one died due to a drunk diver in an accident he was in as all people in car were drunk,1 died 4 walked.closed casket it was so bad.as 1 out of 6 kids followed in dad footsteps.it does matter what kids see growing up.as drunks do not set good examples for children.if the boy has a dad,it is up to the dad.the man has proved to have many problems with breaking the law and drinking.right now the way he is will not help the child.it is a two way street.you can't be a good son if you have a bad dad.where ever this gathering took place,no one should have let him drive drunk,or put the child behind the wheel.endangering both or anyone on the road.this does not say much good for thoes people.how many chances does one need?
when recieving the first ticket,that was his clue to get help.3 or more offenses?he hasn't learned a thing.of course many are mad as a small child was envolved.the families of these people with drinking problems,it don't do them any favors and can be with them as many lives are just ruined.getting a dad like this out of any childs life,does matter.as it is not the example a child needs.kids don't need to be around adults drinking and carrying on.mom in eaton rapids if you think it is all so easy to get someone help after all this time,your in deniel.this person has a diease true.how many times has he been in trouble with the law?drinking is no excuse to ones actions.he choose to continue to drink,he did not seek help for how long now?may be he's not ready to admit he has a problem and get serious help.he lies to himself and others.do not make excuses for people with drinking problems,as it makes them worse.no mom wants to see there son locked up,but at this time it is best for all.
feeling sorry for this guy is not what he needs.just because he was drunk,gives him no excuses to what he does.or anyone.this child is old enough to remember this.could of been hurt or someone else could of been hurt due to this drunk dession.till you see first hand what results of drunk driving can do.many young people get trapped in cars and catches a fire,burns them alive,driver was drunk.or when you see them lieing all over the road,mangled,and dead.as the car flipped throwing them out,no seat belts,to drunk to put them on.ask all the severly beaten women,some man was drunk.or abused children who drunken parent beat them to hard or killed there mom in a drunken rage.or thoes waking up next to whom ever,so drunk they didn't know who they sleep with.this guy needs help alright,starting with some dry out time,then if he wants help he will get it.kids don't need parents that get so drunk they tell a child to drive.it is up to this man if he can be a good dad or not.it is his choice.??
I'm sorry I can not feel sorry for this guy.he's proven to of broke the law driving how many times?and yes,he put the boys life in danger.he got how many breaks?maybe some extended time in jail will dry him out,and then he can want help or not.if he does he will get help if he don't oh well.not all drinkers change.some are violent.some break the laws in many ways.as this person is right now,he is no good to his son.can not set a good example.and the child should not have contact with this type of parent.he made the choice to drink,so he pay for his actions.he is old enough to know right from wrong.there is no excuse.alcholism is a disease,and kills many innocent people.drunk drivers have killed how many people in accidents?how many have used guns drunk and killed someone.how many have been beaten by the drunk?drunk kills alright,many who are just in a drunks way.cancer kills the person with it only.a bad dad,is not what this child needs.and enless dad changes,he don't need a son.
not all WANT help,they keep repeating the drinking thing.your dam right it impaires your judgements.what this man did?we are to feel sorry for him?any excuse when drinking you can do whatever?no it don't work that way.he did put the child in danger.oh yes the families of the drunks need help.ya you bet as my whole face was rearranged so many times as I lay beaten so badly I could not walk,had no way to call for help and back then no where to turn,as he left to go where ever I'd find my self wakeing up and crawling to take care of 3 small children,he'd be gone or 2 weeks comming back and promising to never again.and to stop drinking.after 7 yrs of this I got away.only because he had someone else pregant.ruined my whole life as I lost one son at 24,he wanted to be like dad.drunk driveing accident.my other 2 are not drinkers.dad never quite drinking,died at 59.liver problems and cancer.my health has been bad for yrs.too many times I seen what drunks can do.they stop drinking or they don't.
This guy is no father not when you do things like this. His children need to be taken away from him and he needs to have all custody rights taken away so he can never see or have his children ever again. If he can not control his drinking then he needs to get help or just lock him up and never let him out. This is just no way to treat your children and they should never be subject to this kind of stuff. This is sending a message that this kind of behavior is ok and it really is not. They are at a age where this is a teaching time and should be shown proper things and not crap like this. It is time for this dude to grow up and act like a man and not the drunk he has become.
heaven help you all as you sit and read and listen to this as who are you to place judgement on this guy. someone who has been in trouble with the law and something so horrible as this obviously needs some rehabilitation. families have failed and the system will lock him away. of course you will feel safer...but how about the son who will be left. how about getting help to repair the situation. putting this guy in prison doesnt fix it. he needs some help. alcoholism is a disease. when we get cancer we do everything we can to stay alive I see no difference. alot of diseases take control of our bodies well what does alcohol it impairs our judgement and when you can stop than you need some help. families need rehabilitation also when living with a drunk. but lets keep you safe. lock him away or shoot him as you suggest. society is hopeless. and so are alot of the readers.
I know him. He is dangerous to anyone who comes in contact with him. I hope he goes away for a long time. His son does not deserve to be abused, or witness abuse of others. Someone please give that boy a chance at a NORMAL life!
I'm still shaking my head on this one. Four times, really? Seems to me the blame goes to our great police departments. So, if you get arrested your record doesn't show the offense or the date or lets say, your name?? What about the family/friends at this get together? Where they all Drunk? I pray for this boy that he can overcome seeing his dad being hauled off on Christmas Eve and for all he has to endure.
wow!!! Give him the father of the year award!!!
This guy is scum I agree with you John blow his head off and get rid of him. Any one that drives and drinks should have there licence talken away for good and never get it back no matter what. But you know what happens some ambulance chasing lawyer will pled that he had a bad childhood and get him off with miminal time and then rehab and cost taxpayers mony Thank God the kid is okey I think that the man shouldnt get his kid back.
I have a grandson that is 8yrs. old. I can't even imagine him behind a wheel. Terrified that poor boy must have been. That dad has no place to be even called a Dad. spend some time in jail and grow up....