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Candidates Clash in Second Debate Save Email Print
Posted: 10:55 PM Oct 7, 2008
Last Updated: 2:54 PM Oct 8, 2008
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Barack Obama and John McCain clashed repeatedly over the causes and cures for the worst economic crisis in 80 years Tuesday night in a debate in which Republican McCain called for a sweeping $300 billion program to shield homeowners from mortgage foreclosure.
"It's my proposal. It's not Sen. Obama's proposal," McCain said at the outset of a debate he hoped could revive his fortunes in a presidential race trending toward his rival.
In one pointed confrontation on foreign policy, Obama bluntly challenged McCain's steadiness. "This is a guy who sang bomb, bomb, bomb Iran, who called for the annihilation of North Korea -- that I don't think is an example of speaking softly."
That came after McCain accused him of foolishly threatening to invade Pakistan and said, "I'm not going to telegraph my punches, which is what Sen. Obama did."
The debate was the second of three between the two major party rivals, and the only one to feature a format in which voters seated a few feet away posed questions to the candidates.
They were polite, but the strain of the campaign showed. At one point, McCain referred to Obama as "that one," rather than speaking his name.
"It's good to be with you at a town hall meeting," McCain also jabbed at his rival, who has spurned the Republican's calls for numerous such joint appearances across the fall campaign.
They debated on a stage at Belmont University four weeks before Election Day in a race that has lately favored Obama, both in national polls and in surveys in pivotal battleground states.
Not surprisingly, many of the questions dealt with an economy in trouble.
Obama said the current crisis was the "final verdict on the failed economic policies of the last eight years" that President Bush pursued and were "supported by Sen. McCain."
He contended that Bush, McCain and others had favored deregulation of the financial industry, predicting that would "let markets run wild and prosperity would rain down on all of us. It didn't happen."
McCain's pledge to have the government help individual homeowners avoid foreclosure went considerably beyond the $700 billion bailout that recently cleared Congress. While he said bailout money should be used to help homeowners, the bailout legislation merely gave the Treasury Department authority to purchase mortgages directly.
"I would order the secretary of the Treasury to immediately buy up the bad home loan mortgages in America and renegotiate at the new value of those homes at the diminished value of those homes and let people be able to make those payments and stay in their homes," he said.
"Is it expensive? Yes. But we all know, my friends, until we stabilize home values in America, we're never going to start turning around and creating jobs and fixing our economy, and we've got to get some trust and confidence back to America."
McCain also said it was important to reform the giant benefit programs such as Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.
"My friends, we are not going to be able to provide the same benefit for present-day workers that present-day retirees have today," he said, although he did not elaborate.
The two men also competed to demonstrate their qualifications as reformers at a time voters are clamoring for change.
McCain accused Obama of being the Senate's second-highest recipient of donations from individuals at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the two now-disgraced mortgage industry giants.
"There were some of us who stood up against it," McCain said of the lead-up to the financial crisis. "There were others who took a hike."
Obama shot back that McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, has a stake in a Washington lobbying firm that received thousands of dollars a month from Freddie Mac until recently.
Pivoting quickly to show his concern with members of the audience listening from a few feet away, he said, "You're not interested in politicians pointing fingers. What you're interested in is trying to figure out, how is this going to impact you."
But that didn't stop the two men from criticizing one another repeatedly as the topics turned to energy, spending, taxes and health care.
Obama said McCain was going to require taxes on the health benefits workers receive from their employers at the same time his plan would wipe out the ability of states to enforce their own regulations to require tests such as mammograms.
McCain countered that under his rival's plan "Sen. Obama will fine you" if parents fail to obtain coverage for their children but had yet to say what the fine would be. "Perhaps we will find that out tonight," he said.
Obama quickly followed up, saying that McCain "voted against the expansion" of the children's health care program the government runs.
The two men prefer dramatically different approaches to easing the problem of millions of uninsured Americans. McCain favors a $5,000 tax credit that he says would allow families to find and afford health care on their own.
Obama wants to build on the current system, in which millions receive coverage through the workplace, with government funding to help uninsured families obtain coverage.
Obama also said that American International Group Inc., which was bailed out by the government, should give the Treasury $440,000 to cover the costs of a company retreat at a posh California resort less than a week after the federal intervention. "Those executives should be fired," he said, referring to the participants in the retreat.
The debate also veered into foreign policy, and the disputes were as intense as on the economy and domestic matters.
McCain said his rival "was wrong about Iraq and the surge. He was wrong about Russia when they committed aggression against Georgia. And in his short career he does not understand our national security challenges. We don't have time for on the job training."
Obama countered with a trace of sarcasm that he didn't understand some things -- like how the United States could face the challenge in does in Afghanistan after spending years and hundreds of billions of dollars in Iraq.
The audience was selected by Gallup, the polling organization, and was split three ways among voters leaning toward McCain, those leaning toward Obama and those undecided.
Tom Brokaw of NBC, the moderator, screened their questions and also chose others that had been submitted online.

 
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Posted by: Populista on Oct 10, 2008 at 03:16 PM
Sara, are you any relation to Sally who posted in another thread? It seems that there are many here who are incapable of spelling Obama correctly, I wonder if you are all connected in some way. Maybe you should pay more attention in school, or at least to current events and you might be a better speller. You might even have an opinion different than that of your parents if you paid attention to what is going on around you a bit more.

Posted by: Anonymous on Oct 9, 2008 at 10:05 PM
If he has that much coming in, how much influence will the 'big' contributors have?

Posted by: Anonymous on Oct 9, 2008 at 06:40 PM
If barack can raise a billion dollars through 'contributions' who believe in his cause. How much can he raise if people do not have a choice.

Posted by: Anonymous on Oct 9, 2008 at 04:12 PM
lol, no wonder obama seems like a superstar. spending that much will make anyone look electable even bush.

Posted by: sara Location: mason on Oct 9, 2008 at 04:04 PM
as a teenager my parents are real concerned about who i hang-out with, the say people influence each others thinking, so how come some people say it doesn't matter who ABAMA'S friends are?

Posted by: James on Oct 9, 2008 at 03:53 PM
The spending on political campaigns is ridiculous. He could employ 3000 people for a year for what is spent for advertising in one month. I have heard that the parties will spend over a billion in advertising. It make me angry when you think what 30,000 jobs could do to the michigan economy. The leaders in DC complain about the excessive spending that cause our financial problems. They should look at their own excessive spending and splurging.

Posted by: Anonymous on Oct 9, 2008 at 02:37 PM
Pam, if Obama spent his Campaign Money on individuals, he would have lawsuits to fight. That money was donated by citizens to his nonprofit campiagn. He can't start handing out charity just because people like you don't grasp the concept.

Posted by: cj on Oct 9, 2008 at 12:57 PM
ACORN is being targeted by the rep they would do anything 2 win

Posted by: cj on Oct 9, 2008 at 12:55 PM
thats bull, obama doesnt waste that much $$$$

Posted by: Populista on Oct 9, 2008 at 12:51 PM
Au contraire. If Obama were to sit back and let John McCain win, I think we'd have far more problems in a few years than we do today. Obama's money is well spent trying to put a stop to all this Republican nonsense.

Posted by: Pam Location: Jackson on Oct 9, 2008 at 10:02 AM
Numbers to consider for the election. Obama campaign will spend close to $100 million in the last month before elections. That is enough to pay 3000 households a salary that would keep them out of poverty for a year. If they spent the effort to handles community problems instead of getting elected, we would not have our financial problems of today.

Posted by: Anonymous on Oct 9, 2008 at 09:36 AM
The acorn raid comment was concerning voter fraud by an group that obama worked for in the 80's and is supported by democratic sponsors.

Posted by: Kenny Location: Lansing on Oct 8, 2008 at 06:26 PM
John McCain looks like a doddering old fool and doesn't sound much better. He is fantastic at talking but not saying anything; at least Senator Obama has idea of HOW he would like to see things done where McCain babbles on about "we need this, that and, the other but; does nothing to explain HOW we are going to get them done. Anyone voting for McCain must enjoy hardship because that is where were are right now thanks to the Republican dim-bulb that has been in office for the last eight years. If McCain is elected be preparred for more of the same and a lot of defectors to Canada.

Posted by: Susan Location: Springport on Oct 8, 2008 at 05:58 PM
How anyone can possible think McCain won Tuesday's election is beyond me. The turtle needs to crawl back into his shell.

Posted by: Pam Location: Jackson on Oct 8, 2008 at 05:53 PM
Why is there no coverage on the ACORN raids?

Posted by: Anonymous on Oct 8, 2008 at 05:39 PM
Randy, are you calling some obama supporters "nobodies"? There are some liberal sites that give mccain the edge. some say the only way he would have won was with a grand slam touchdown.

Posted by: Anonymous on Oct 8, 2008 at 05:36 PM
It does make you wonder how polls are taken if the rsults go from 70 percent saying john mccain won to 70 percent saying obama one. Are the polls accurate?

Posted by: CGF Location: Dimondale on Oct 8, 2008 at 12:08 AM
I thought listening to this 2nd debate was a waste of the American peoples time. They said the same old things we've already heard. I'm scared about the economy. The biggest problem is not the housing debacle, it's jobs. If people had their job income they had before they might be able to pay their mortgage when the Govn't readjusts them and make them affordable&fixed. Also I want our soldiers home, but where will they find jobs. So is that why they are not home? Thirdly, I am on a fixed income so I'm scared to death I will lose my income, then I too will lose my home and everything I've worked all my life for. I paid highly into SS for 48 years. Also, I want to know why the middle eastern countries a not mentioned (ever)in this world financial demise? The debate was awful because they did not give us any answers. &I hate the mud slinging, tells me nothing.

Posted by: Randy Location: Lansing on Oct 8, 2008 at 12:03 AM
Get with the program everybody shows Obama as the winner by huge margins except you guys. Youve just lost all credibility with me.Even your big board hasnt been updated since June.Your job is to geliver the unbiased truth and you fail miserably.

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